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RE: Draft:United States Prestige Proof Sets

Hi DoubleGrazing,

I’ve made the corrections based on your findings for the draft article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:United_States_Prestige_Proof_Sets

Is there anything else you’d suggest reviewing before it moves to approval?

Kind regards, Leonid Leonid.Zolotarev (talk) 16:17, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

You posted a TPA removal notice...

...but the TPA was never actually revoked, at least according to the block log of Boogerbrainz. This particular case is moot now since the account is inactive, but well, may be best to double-check in the future if Twinkle has messed up. Just FYI. JavaHurricane 18:46, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @JavaHurricane, done now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:49, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
I was looking through COI edit requests and was struck by the patience and clarity with which you explained our COI/RS policies at Talk:Jonathan_Kellerman#Question_for_administrator. I'm tempted to write some of your explanations down so I can crib from them the next time this comes up! Thank you for going above and beyond in not biting the newbies, even the COI ones :) Rusalkii (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Notability of Sudhir Mehta (entrepreneur)

DoubleGrazing, regarding notability: Draft:Sudhir Mehta (entrepreneur) meets WP:GNG and WP:BIO with 11 independent sources—e.g.,Economic Times Auto* (2025) on EKA’s EV showcase, Fortune India (2025) on profitability, *The Times of India (2022) on India’s first e-bus—plus awards like Lokmat 2024. Revised for neutrality and detail (e.g., EKA’s 2022 launch). If sourcing’s lacking, please detail—I suggest mainspace per WP:ATD.MH-wiki2025 (talk) 22:11, 22 March 2025 (UTC)
Moved Draft:Sudhir Mehta (entrepreneur) to Sudhir Mehta (entrepreneur)—11 independent refs (e.g., ET Auto, Fortune India) meet WP:GNG/WP:BIO, revised for neutrality. Open to feedback. MH-wiki2025 (talk) 13:00, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for draft

Can I create a draft for Denetric Malope article? TroyeMins Media (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

InSC fake award

That organization does not exist, and I was not attacking any of the real organization. They are looting money from the people and people need to know this kind of crime. That is what I was doing through this platform. Since so many years they are doing it. 103.133.158.172 (talk) 14:48, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I told you already, creating entirely unreferenced attack pages is not what Wikipedia is for; ditto, WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS.
And when your account is blocked, you're not allowed to edit, even logged out, and that includes here on my talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:32, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for review as adhering to guidelines now

Hope you can help. You rejected my draft page as it needed references that are in-depth, reliable, secondary and strictly independent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Payara_Services

I've gone through in detail and revised it significantly to meet WP:NCORP standards. Weak sources such as blogs, press releases, brief announcements, and company-authored materials have been removed. They are replaced by robust, reliable, independent, and in-depth third-party coverage from InfoQ, Technology Reseller, Intelligent CIO and The Business Magazine clearly demonstrating their notability according to Wikipedia guidelines. Hope this is sufficient.

I did ask if someone could review, and got the reply to go back to the person who rejected. As you were the last moderator, reaching out to you, so you can review again. The page doesn't give me the option to submit for review, thus reaching out. Hope you can help!

THank you Cyto2015 (talk) 13:56, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Cyto2015: before we get into all of that, can you tell me if you work (whether as employee, contractor, agent, director, or in any other capacity) for this business? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:11, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
Hi Cyto, thanks for coming back. I don't. I am employed in science with an interest in open source and app developments. Application server is a topic that requires some correction on Wikipedia, some companies exist, some stand alone pages exist for products, some are grouped together, so I would like to rework and correct this. Payara's software is one of the open source ones I have used amongst others like IBM's and they are a good vendor to start. Ideally each vendor should have their own page (vendor's listed here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_application_servers) Cyto2015 (talk) 09:40, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
@Cyto2015: I see. It's just that your very first edit was uploading this company's logo, immediately followed by a fully-fledged draft on the same. And since then, pretty much your entire edit history has to do with this one company, including editing the draft and making numerous edits to include the subject in existing articles. If you don't mind my saying, it looks an awful lot like you have a specific interest in this company, and this company alone, rather than "open source and app developments" more generally. Can I just point out that if you do have a conflict of interest, that isn't a problem; you can still edit, you just need to disclose it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:50, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for coming back Cyto. I don't. Payara just happened to be the first one I was trying to do. This is my first page and my thinking was..get the page ready so I understand what to look out for, how to go about it and use it as a template for new pages. The strict rejections were scary but a learning experience as well, and I actually gave up but then realised I shouldn't and rather than have the page deleted in 6 months, might as well give it another go..see if I can have it up and then follow that as the template for new pages. I do have an interested in building pages for other topics as well! Cyto2015 (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
@Cyto2015: alright then.
Turning to your draft, there is still nothing to suggest this business is notable per WP:NCORP. Taking each of your sources in turn:
  1. Only indirectly related, doesn't even mention Payara.
  2. Is about their products, not about the company itself.
  3. Probably the strongest of the weak lot, but is just routine business reporting, and almost certainly based on a press release ie. not independent.
  4. 'How-to' guide, and again about the products, not the company.
  5. Only points to the domain root, not to any specific coverage of this business, but judging by the title unlikely to meet the WP:GNG standard for notability anyway.
It might be best to drop this and find a different subject to write about? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:37, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) As a previous reviewer, I concur with this assesment...time to move on. 11:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Christina Wendall

Hello, i have transformed the links to proper inline citations, i am unable to reply under the previous section due to a bug, so i answer here FateHum (talk) 10:40, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Biased Information on profile of Mehul Choksi

Dear editor, on the profile of Mehul Choksi which is a biography of a person, several details that were updated have been deleted by AustinTalks. This includes citations from the Guardian and the Daily Mail. The current article only includes links from Indian Media which are biased an in most cases unsourced. Especially the details about the Kenneth Rijock Report which is false and salacious. An Interpol Red Corner notice on the man was cancelled due to human rights abuses by India. Allowing the article to be locked and the information to remain as it is is harmful to the life and freedom of Mr. Mehul Choksi. If you could kindly see the vast difference between the two points of view and opt for an unbiased view that shows both sides. Especially in terms of the info box. He is not convicted of any crimes. The trials have not begun and he has not been declared a fugitive yet. The language used is defamatory and incorrect. Elenamatthew (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Elenamatthew:
I have no interest in this matter, I was only pulled to the article talk page by the admin-help flag (unnecessarily, from what I could tell). Content disputes are settled by discussion, not edit warring, as the point was already made on that talk page.
What is your relationship with this person? You seem to be acquainted with his case, and keen to advocate. If you have an external relationship of some sort, you need to disclose this; please see WP:COI.
Note that Daily Mail is a deprecated source and mustn't be cited, so attempting to support your arguments with that source is futile.
Finally, I must caution you not to make allegations of libel and defamation. These are legal concepts, and bringing them up could conceivably be interpreted as legal threats, which is a blockable offence on Wikipedia. I don't think you have yet crossed that threshold, but it is easy to do so inadvertently.
Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
I am merely trying to bring to light a truthful and unbiased opinion on the biography of this person. I have been doing research into his case out of interest and noticed that the wiki page had not been updated with the latest factual information and was being used to portray a states narrative on the matter. Elenamatthew (talk) 14:57, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
I'm sure everyone involved in this is aiming for a truthful and unbiased article; it's just that people's views on what is truthful and unbiased often differ. Nobody has monopoly on The Only Right Truth. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:21, 27 March 2025 (UTC)
On BLPN she's said I represent Mehul Choksi, so, that's certainly one hell of a COI. In other news, that article is a mess. I've ECP'd it. -- asilvering (talk) 07:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for flagging that, @Asilvering. In that case it would seem that @Elenamatthew's next edit should be to disclose this COI formally, as per the query posted on their talk page. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:59, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Maycon Pimentella draft

hello DoubleGrazing, i saw that you left a comment under Draft:Maycon Pimentella The artist changed the name I found the information onlline since than i am reconstructing the draft based on new information I found. while I also created i think 4 new articles and I suddenly remenbered about this draft. its been a year already. this time I am watching closely on information about this draft and updating as I notable source. I've improved a lot on my writting and sourcing you can check my recent work. I know it has nothing to do with the topic but I am loving editing and writting here, omg it is so fun. I am still learning but since I've improved a lot. Anyways thanks for stopping by I though I never see you again tho. any time help is always welcomed.

best- Meio2934 (talk) 23:53, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Welcome to the team!

Hi DoubleGrazing, welcome to the SPI clerk team! As part of SPI clerk training, it would be a good idea to have an email available to allow easier behind the scenes advising and communication with potential trainers. That, or a Discord or IRC account; it's useful to have that for work in this field. You'll also want to create a notice in your userspace like User:0xDeadbeef/clerk that you can use for when you're reviewing cases. User:Blablubbs/SPI clerking cheat sheet has a lot of great advice on clerking too. Let us know if you have any questions; we're here to help. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 21:04, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Do you folks mind if I follow DG's (public) progress over time? I'm interested in adding more SPI experience. Observing someone I know start learning the clerking process may permit me to better understand such processes overall. BusterD (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2025 (UTC)
@BusterD Of course; you don't even need to ask : ) Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 02:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
I'd wish to be a polite stalker. I'm not sure I'm organized enough to work in this field, but I'm certainly seeing enough in my daily work to be concerned about my full grasp of the process. BusterD (talk) 02:19, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Welcome to the clerk team :) I agree that having some form of communication channel will be quite helpful so you can ask questions whenever (I suppose some of them can be asked on-wiki, but there are also BEANsy stuff related to SPI stuff). I personally prefer something like Discord but that will depend on how frequently you check that stuff.
Also, as I mainly self learned my way through the SPI norms and procedures as a patrolling admin and then as a trainee clerk, I had a possibly different trainee experience. If you want some more formal training let us know. I can also go hunt for some cases that I'd think would be nice to process as a newly appointed clerk and assign them to you. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 04:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Hey, thanks! :) Excited to be learning new stuff, can't wait to get started!
E-mail enabled. I'll look into Discord later if this proves insufficient, I'm just slightly concerned I wouldn't remember to check it regularly.
Will take a look at Blablubbs' cheat sheet. Any other such materials, or tools, I should be aware of?
Thanks for the offer, @0xDeadbeef; if you can find a case or two in the shallow paddle end of the pool for me to get started on, that'd be great. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:12, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
As a start, if you don't have something that marks a user if it is blocked, enable "Strike out usernames that have been blocked" in your gadgets. I'd then recommend installing the following scripts:
importScript('User:GeneralNotability/spihelper.js'); // Backlink: [[User:GeneralNotability/spihelper.js]]
importScript('User:GeneralNotability/mark-locked.js'); // Backlink: [[User:GeneralNotability/mark-locked.js]]
importScript('User:RoySmith/tag-check.js'); // Backlink: [[User:RoySmith/tag-check.js]]
importScript('User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/cuStaleness.js'); // Backlink: [[User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/cuStaleness.js]]
  • spihelper is an absolute must have, looks like you already have it so let me know if you need help understanding how things work
  • mark-locked gives a red underline to users that are locked globally. May be helpful for crosswiki SPI cases.
  • tag-check provides a box in front of usernames that indicates how a user is tagged. To me it helps understanding the relationship of a list of users better
  • cuStaleness shows whether some accounts could be stale based on their last edits (its not definitive as there could still be CU data), it also has little bits such as marking which account in a page is the oldest in terms of creation date and marking accounts that have been created by other users and not through normal registration which I also really like.
I will hunt for some cases then, before that, please have something like User:0xDeadbeef/clerk that I can subst to assign you :) 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:09, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
I've found a couple of cases that should be good for you to pick up. Check out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerk and checkuser procedures#Process overview for clerks also. Note that you can probably name yours as User:DoubleGrazing/ClerkAtWork to that you can use {{subst:caw}} every time you want to claim a case. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:20, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Oh forgot to mention, please feel free to ask questions if you are unsure of what to proceed or just have a question. If you use IRC, you can also consider joining #wikipedia-en-spi-clerks. I don't know who manages that IRC channel but I can ask around if you use IRC. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:23, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Thanks. Created User:DoubleGrazing/clerk – should I move it to /ClerkAtWork instead?
Also, installed those scripts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
You don't need to if you plan on just writing {{subst:User:DoubleGrazing/clerk}} each time. I didn't know that caw existed when I was a trainee. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:25, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Okay, I copied it across, so both subpages now exist. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Something in addition to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/كريشنا الداعي#c-0xDeadbeef-20250330123000-0xDeadbeef-20250330091400: you can use the spihelper to tag and block socks instead of manually adding them, that is usually faster than manually filling them out (at least for >2 users) 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 12:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
User:Blablubbs/8ball <- this is a good resource when it comes to interpreting CU results. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 15:40, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Feel free to claim some cases on your own time. I'm here if you have questions, but feel free to work on cases through blocking/tagging/closing, endorsing/declining, etc. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 05:01, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
This is great news! DG, I think you will make a fantastic SPI clerk. S0091 (talk) 16:26, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Women in Red April 2025

Women in Red | April 2025, Vol 11, Issue 4, Nos. 326, 327, 335, 336


Online events:

Announcements (Events facilitated by others):

Tip of the month:

  • When creating biographies, don't forget to use Template:DEFAULTSORT.
    Accessible from "Wiki markup" at the foot of the page being edited,
    it allows categories to be listed under the subject's family name rather than their first or given name.

Moving the needle: (statistics available via Humaniki tool)

  • 24 Mar 2025: 20.070% of biographies on EN-WP are about women (2,057,083, 412,857 women)
  • 27 Jan 2025: 20.031% (2,047,793 bios, 410,200 women)

Thank you if you contributed one or more of the 2,657 articles during this period!

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--Rosiestep (talk) 13:18, 30 March 2025 (UTC) via MassMessaging

bro check my draft

is it ok now... not then suggest me what changes i have to do Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

@Bhaskar sunsari (talk page stalker) I very much doubt anyone will react well to being called 'Bro'. This may be the way you speak to your friends, but this will make you no friends here. They may check the draft, or may not, may even have done so already, but not because you made a poorly worded request, and only if they choose to.
Please think about your behaviour here. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:01, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
Im sorry sir if i have done any mistake i just want to say just check my draft brother is it okay or i should change something in it now nothing more🥺 Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
@Bhaskar sunsari Were you never taught to use "Please" when asking for a favour?
Also, if wanting something to be checked, please wiki link to it. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:30, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
ok i will talk in normal way from now.. thanks for teaching 👍 Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 18:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
@Bhaskar sunsari: I assume you mean Draft:Kushwaha community of nepal? I have already reviewed it twice, and would have said I'll leave it for someone else to review next. However, I can see that it has now been rejected, which closes that chapter. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:47, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
He rejected im leaving this Wikipedia this Wikipedia is full of rude people's is their anything wrong what will happened if they just accept my article it was just my first try but they demotivated me im already in depression and he make he more sad 😭 god will take care of him nobody likes me and my work even in real life and even in Wikipedia too im duffer ... take care .... Bhaskar sunsari (talk) 18:54, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
@Bhaskar sunsari I am truly sorry about your self declared mental state. I think you may have been over ambitious to edit here while depressed, because it is not a gentle place. Please understand that your self declared mental issues will not cause Wikipedia to lower its article acceptance standards.
I recommend that you do not call yourself a duffer, nor use any insult for yourself. No-one has the right to insult you. That also means you do not have the right to insult yourself.
I see that you have tried hard. I also see a certain unfamiliarity with English. That will not help. But perhaps you might enjoy editing your native language Wikipedia? Please try that. I think you have a lot offer in your native language. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 19:08, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
@Bhaskar sunsari I have copied the message above to your user talk page un the hope that you will read it 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 19:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Am I being unduly critical?

I would value your comments on my thoughts I have expressed at this editor's unlock request. If you feel I am in error please comment there if you feel the need. Otherwise please let us keep any discussion away fro the request itself, perhaps my or your talk page?

Obviously you will have your own views on their request, and they may differ from mine. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 09:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Timtrent: no, I don't think you're being unduly critical. I saw this appeal when it first appeared, and was undecided, so didn't act on it. Having read all that, I'm also now probably 60:40 against. I can't put my finger on it, but something doesn't feel quite right. Although possibly my view is coloured by some of the frustration with their drafts at AfC (all the more reason why I shouldn't review this appeal!). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
I'm grateful. I think, if not reviewed already, a lot of serious thought is required. I'm not troubled but the welter of AFC submissions. Some were excellent, others not so much. Were I an admin this is not one I would review either. I like the editor in a bizarre way! 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 17:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
Sighs sadly. They are not minded to answer direct questions I see. All we get are woolly blandishments (can a blandishment be woolly?) about how they miss editing here, and how they didn't take the enWiki block e=serious, but the frWiki block made them think.
I'm sticking at 60:40 for continuing the block.
What is not quite right is the disconnect I sense between their understanding and what is required of them, simply based on their choice or inability to answer open questions wisely. 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 17:28, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Unprotect Page

Can you please unprotect the page for Ali Azhar D's AFC Draft? I want to submit the articles in my sandbox to the draft. please! 🙏🙏 Sebastian Gunawan (talk) 12:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello Sebastian Gunawan (talk) 13:01, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
@Sebastian Gunawansushil Waghmare 223.233.82.213 (talk) 12:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
@223.233.82.213 223.233.82.213 (talk) 12:16, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Rev/del request

Hi DG, I wondered of we can rev/del the Zegler comments? 200.88.235.244 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Thank you Knitsey (talk) 14:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

@Knitsey: checkY done! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
Lovely, thank you. Knitsey (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

londondaily news is a well known magazine where you can verify this

londondaily news is a well known magazine where you can verify this Naveed Colab (talk) 13:37, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

@Naveed Colab: oh please, London Daily News is user-generated crud. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:48, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
ok so can you please tell me what type of web or content is best for notability and citations? Naveed Colab (talk) 13:51, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
You can find the general notability guideline at WP:GNG, it tells you how to establish notability for most subjects. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:53, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

My article

Hello... Thanks alot for reviewing my article... The thing is, there are around 15 newspapers prints based on Myraa Khattar but the issue is all of the are physical newspaper copies.... I also have images of those papers but no links... What's the solution?? Thank You Myraa Khattar (talk) 08:20, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Myraa Khattar: sources don't have to online, you can cite offline sources as long as they otherwise meet our reliability etc. requirements. You need to provide sufficient bibliographical detail to enable the sources to be reliably identified for verification purposes; see WP:OFFLINE for advice.
Do please also note that autobiographies are very strongly discouraged, see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:44, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
I checked the guidelines earlier... and like I do understand autobiography is not considered but I tried my best to keep the tone neutral... How to cite offline quotes?? Thanks for replying though... Myraa Khattar (talk) 16:16, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2025

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2025).

Administrator changes

added
readded Dennis Brown
removed
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  • Nohat
  • Someguy1221

Bureaucrat changes

added Barkeep49

CheckUser changes

added 0xDeadbeef

Oversighter changes

removed GB fan
readded Moneytrees

Miscellaneous


Hey, 2Grazing

(Yes I know THATS not ur username) can you review my draft please, it’s “Harambee, Milwaukee you can ignore this message and review other one or just go back to sleep whatever you like JadenGotLost (talk) 13:18, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Here’s la draft just click this 🧀 JadenGotLost (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from Imunknown01 (15:08, 11 April 2025)

Hello pls would like to learn how i can make use of Darkweb im new here --Imunknown01 (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Priyanka Choudhary

You refer to the page having been created with four different titles. Submitting drafts or creating articles with different spelling of titles is a common form of gaming of titles, especially with names with native forms in scripts other than the Latin alphabet. Sometimes it is done by ultras, fanatical supporters of entertainers (especially Asian, because the names have native forms other than in the Latin alphabet).

I think we are saying the same thing. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:56, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: indeed, and that's why this not-so-innocent user immediately set off alarm bells by moving it.
Thanks for filing that SPI. I was umming and ahhing about it, because the previous one didn't produce very clear results, but this time it certainly clarified things up. Glad you did it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:54, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Translation of German Wiki entry: Oliver Sachs

Dear DoubleGrazing,

I actually wanted to add some information about some Central European impact and meteorite researchers to Wikipedia. I started with 'Sachs' because of his well-documented German Wikipedia page.

Extended content

Oliver Sachs, Link with sources and topics: https://www.wikiwand.com/de/articles/Oliver_Sachs


A) Sachs is listed in various, partly international, databases:

Virtual International Authority File https://viaf.org/de/viaf/170326124

German National Libary https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D101129687X

Data infrastructure for libraries (lobid): https://lobid.org/gnd/101129687X


In addition, he is cited hundreds of times in other scientific publications, Link: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Oliver-Sachs/research

B) Oliver Sachs (Books)


The Peñacerrada Diapir (Sierra Cantabria, Alava Province, Northern Spain): stratigraphy, fossil content, facies, tectonics, and an impactite-like diamict from the southern margin of the diapir (German: Der Diapir von Peñacerrada (Sierra Cantabria, Provinz Alava, Nordspanien): Stratigraphie, Fossilinhalt, Fazies, Tektonik und ein Impaktit-ähnlicher Diamikt vom Südrand des Diapirs), 172 pages, Link National Library: https://portal.dnb.de/opac/showFullRecord?currentResultId=%22101129687X%22%26any&currentPosition=9


Benthic organic carbon fluxes in the Southern Ocean: regional differences and links to surface primary production and carbon export (143 pages), Link National Library: https://portal.dnb.de/opac/showFullRecord?currentResultId=%22101129687X%22%26any&currentPosition=7


Volume 4: History and significance of the special collection "Nördlinger Ries" in the Natural History Museum of the Academy in Dillingen a.d. Donau (German: Band 4: Geschichte und Bedeutung der Spezialsammlung "Nördlinger Ries" im Naturhistorischen Museum der Akademie in Dillingen a.d. Donau), Link National Library: https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=idn%3D1011015234


The forgotten maps of the Nördlinger Ries (German: Die vergessenen Karten des Nördlinger Rieses), 126 pages, Link National Library: https://portal.dnb.de/opac/showFullRecord?currentResultId=%22101129687X%22%26any&currentPosition=0


The books are based on various frequently cited individual publications that were published by the team in international, sometimes very prestigious journals and are still cited today:

C1) Oliver Sachs (Climate research, international)

Nature: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature11229

Quaternary Research: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0033589412000464

Deep Sea Research Part I: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967063709000351

Deep Sea Research Part II: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967064511001342

Deep Sea Research Part II: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0967064511000609

Omnis Cellular: https://revistes.iec.cat/index.php/OC/article/view/31208.001

Journal of Experimental Marine Biology and Ecology: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022098107004819

Environmental Science (Porifera research: Biodiversity, innovation and sustainability): https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Oxygen-distribution-in-Tentorium-semisuberites-and-Hoffmann-Sauter/95d01c193a9b5955385bc29d716784da421327fc

C2) Oliver Sachs (Impact and meteorite research, international and national)

Meteoritics and Planetary Science: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/maps.14245

WGN, Journal of the International Meteor Organization: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2024JIMO...52...29R/abstract


All examples from the journal „Jahresberichte und Mitteilungen des Oberrheinischen Geologischen Vereins, N.F.“: https://www.schweizerbart.de/series/jber_oberrh

- A Subterranean Excursion through the “Nördlinger Ries” Meteorite Crater’s Megablock Zone: The two water pipe galleries Ederheim – Nördlingen, Germany (DOI: 10.1127/jmogv/103/0003)

- Geological maps of the Kingdom of Württemberg and the time of the “Württemberg Commission for Geological Detailed Surveying” with examples of the two impact craters, Steinheim Basin and Nördlinger Ries (DOI: 10.1127/jmogv/103/0002)

- Rediscovered geological maps of the Nördlinger Ries and their relationship to the earliest formation theories in the pioneering days of Ries research before 1870 (DOI: 10.1127/jmogv/102/0012)

- A trench section and percussion drillings at the Inner Ring south of Grosselfingen (Miocene, Nördlinger Ries) (DOI: 10.1127/jmogv/102/0015)

- Story and naming of “Suvite” (DOI: 10.1127/jmogv/93/2011/77)


Regiomontanusbote (Local, Nuremberg Astronomical Society): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382742289_Feldbeobachtungen_und_Besonderheiten_bei_den_Ribbeck-Meteoriten

Jahrbuch des Historischen Vereins Dillinen an der Donau (Local, Historical Society): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325674385_Paul_Zenetti_und_die_Riesforschung_der_ersten_Halfte_des_20_Jahrhunderts_Jahrbuch_des_historischen_Vereins_Dillingen_an_der_Donau_110_Jahrgang_2009_121-137

Natural and cultural history of suevite: How the Schwabenstein got its name (German: Natur- und Kulturgeschichte des Suevits: Wie der Schwabenstein zu seinem Namen kam). Rosendahl, W. & Schieber, M. (Hrsg.). Der Stein der Schwaben, Band 4, Stuttgart, ISBN 978-3-929981-78-0 (Lokal, Staatsanzeiger-Verlag): https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=idn%3D997539232 and https://www.staatsanzeiger.de/

In addition, Sachs has published on hydrocarbons in Swiss deposits and hydrothermal energy research in Switzerland (partly for ETH Zurich, the Swiss Academy of Sciences, and others), as well as other, less important publications on meteorites and the two impact craters, Nördlinger Ries and Steinheim Basin. However, this is beyond the scope of this article and will not be listed further here.


D) My main question now is when it makes sense to edit/incorporate a Central European impact researcher or meteorite researcher into the English Wikipedia. There are not so many researchers in this rather exotic but exciting field of research. In my opinion, Sachs's German wiki is quite up-to-date and well-researched, hence the idea of ​​a simple translation into English. Actually, I thought that other scientists like Christian Koeberl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Koeberl), Karl Deffner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Deffner), Wilhelm von Gümbel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_von_G%C3%BCmbel), Oscar Fraas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Fraas), Wilhelm von Branca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_von_Branca), Ernst Koken (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Koken), Eberhard Fraas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_Fraas), Wolf von Engelhardt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_von_Engelhardt) which should be gradually supplemented.


In addition, some meteorite and impact researchers from Central Europe are already listed in German Wikipedia, such as Wulf-Dietrich Kavasch (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulf-Dietrich_Kavasch), Ludwig von Ammon (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_von_Ammon), Georg Wagner / Geologe (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Wagner_(Geologe)), François Kraut (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Kraut), Helmut Vidal (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Vidal), Hermann Schmidt-Kaler (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Schmidt-Kaler), Josef Theodor Groiss (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Theodor_Groiss), Falko Langenhorst (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falko_Langenhorst), Addi Bischoff (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addi_Bischoff), Harald Hiesinger (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Hiesinger) where an update or addition and, above all, a translation into the international scientific language English would make sense.


With 'Sachs' I thought that some preparatory work had already been done in the German Wikipedia by various authors. This should make it possible to translate “only” into English. However, this does not seem to be the case. Some of the other personalities mentioned require a bit more research and work. However, it is not yet entirely clear to me when someone is relevant for the more international, English Wikipedia. 'Sachs' has authored several books and is involved in frequently cited international publications. With regard to impact research (Nördlinger Ries) or meteorite research (e.g. Ribbeck (Meteorite)/ 2024 BX1, Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_BX1) he is involved in key publications. Nevertheless, 'Sachs' does not seem to be relevant for an entry/translation? Then it makes no sense to contact other scientists who are already listed in Wikipedia, or? Let alone scientists who have not yet been mentioned in Wikipedia (e.g. Gernot Arp / University of Göttingen, Kai Wünnemann / Free University of Berlin, Thomas Kenkmann / University of Freiburg and some more).

Which “hard” facts besides book publications and mentions in national and international databases/lists are really relevant? Neither 'Sachs' nor the other scientists mentioned are Nobel laureates, politicians or well-known artists. Especially in an exotic research field such as impact research or meteorite research. I can hardly find anything more about 'Sachs' than what has been presented here. If this is not enough, the English translation entry can also be deleted.

Best regards

Meteoriten-Deutschlands Meteoriten-Deutschlands (talk) 13:47, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

@Meteoriten-Deutschlands: a scientist doesn't have to be a Nobel laureate to qualify for a Wikipedia article, but they do have to be in a senior academic position and/or have otherwise significant career achievements to their name. The special notability guideline for academics is laid out at WP:NPROF, with specific criteria enumerated at WP:NACADEMIC. Please study those, and see if any apply to Sachs.
The other alternative route to notability is via the general WP:GNG guideline. However, this requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and entirely independent of the subject. This guideline is often difficult for academics to meet, hence why the NPROF one was devised. The draft currently cites no such sources, which suggests this may be difficult or impossible for Sachs to satisfy, also, but I am mentioning it in case you can find such sources.
Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Draft:Qargo Coffee

Hello DoubleGrazing. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Draft:Qargo Coffee, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not overtly promotional to G11 level. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Question from ShouldveUsedDucktape (14:33, 23 April 2025)

how do i translate an existing article so it is available in another language? --ShouldveUsedDucktape (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi @ShouldveUsedDucktape: see WP:Translation and/or WP:HOWTRANS for advice.
If you plan to translate from another language to English, then you need to be aware that our notability, referencing, etc. requirements here on the English Wikipedia are stricter than on most other language versions, so something that exists in a different language version of Wikipedia may not necessarily be accepted here. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2025 (UTC)