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The result was delete‎. asilvering (talk) 06:40, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lars B. Andersen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Non-notable businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Sources are:

• WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of his company ([1], [2], [3], [4])
• WP:PRIMARYSOURCES ([5], [6], [7], [8])
• More trivial mentions in the context of a GWR attempt that has since been superseded or his election activities.

Nothing else qualifying came up in a WP:BEFORE search, and the civic appointments are not so rare that they constitute awards per WP:ANYBIO #1. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Norway, and England. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - non-notable businessman. No WP:SIGCOV, trivial mentions in media; 'civic appointments' aren't notable (anyone working in the City can become a "Freeman of the City"). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 00:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That's not true.

  There are three grounds for Freedom of the City. 1. Nomination by Worshipful Company, 2. Nomination by two liverymen of the City of London or 3. By invitation.

  You can't simply apply. Teacher2019 (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  That is untrue. The City of London website says: "There are several ways to apply for the Freedom: by servitude, by patrimony, by nomination or by presentation via a Livery Company.... Persons who have been on the City of London Electoral Roll for a minimum of one year may obtain the Freedom without the need for an application visit or Common Council approval. There is no fee in such cases and applicants should advise that they are on the Ward List.... Applications are made via email..." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  Thank you for the update. Yes, that confirms the 3 grounds I mentioned which are 'servitude, by patrimony, by nomination or by presentation via a Livery Company'. The other way to obtain the freedom of the city is if you live there, not 'anyone working in the City'. So we are both correct in different ways :) However, according to the City of London article 'the City has a small resident population of 8,583 based on 2021 census figures'.

  FYI I am still a relative newbie navigating my way around WP so forgive transgressions of the usual protocol! Teacher2019 (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  "By nomination" is as simple as any two electors nominating someone. It really isn't in any way a big deal (as opposed to honorary freedom of the city). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article had some broken links, and they are now fixed. WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS: articles from government sites and major label magazine with picture of him seems not to be trivial. Found and added mentions from Portuguese [[9]] and US main newsmedia sources [[10]][[11]] with interviews (see article). Multiple articles discuss him at length as the subject of the article, so article fulfils WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC: significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Zralba (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The government sites are discussions of his company that trivially mention him. The Labels and Labelling magazines source is a WP:TRADES publication that is considered non-independent. The Q&A WP:INTERVIEWS you linked are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES since they consist entirely of his answers; they are not independent sources and do not count toward notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - This person meets the notability criteria with significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. That he was selected by the now UK prime minister (who must have visited many companies that day) is significant and adds to notability. Teacher2019 (talk) 13:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you outline what you regard as WP:SIGCOV, please? There are a total of 11 sources. One is passing mention - literally a caption on a photo. Two are about the company he is CEO of getting an award - but notability is not inherited. Three just cite membership of organisations or positions held. Another is just passing mention in a "thank you" speech. Another is about an ancestor. One cites his wife's name. That essentially leaves two references. Meanwhile, there are five 'citation needed' tags currently on the article. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. This page is pretty much an advertisement. My very best wishes (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- I think the subject of the article does show to be involved in at senhor levels ie various institutions as part of the City of London and its unique heritage. My personal research of the subject lead me here and has added my research. Charliecroft (talk) 11:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - for the reason me ruined earlier I think there is genuine notability in the context of City of London Livery history Charliecroft (talk) 11:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• I mentioned earlier. Apologies auto correct

Charliecroft (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. By the way, User:Charliecroft, I can't see that you ever edited this article, much less added any new sources.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rather unusual to see an editor who had made two edits, ever, return after a 16 year gap to participate in an AfD... Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 10:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. Adding a source assessment table to clarify the problematic nature of the sources available:

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://committees.parliament.uk/oralevidence/4983/html/	Andersen's own parliamentary testimony	~	WP:PRIMARYSOURCE	✘ No
https://labourinlondon.org.uk/news/2018/04/23/local-elections-next-week-are-londoners-last-chance-and-eu-nationals-first-chance-to-have-their-say-on-a-tory-extreme-brexit/		Political party website	A passing mention; he appears in a photo and that's it.	✘ No
https://www.labelsandlabeling.com/news/my-nametags-honored-international-trade-success	See WP:TRADES		WP:TRIVIALMENTION of him in context of his company	✘ No
https://podcasts.apple.com/in/podcast/episode-14-lars-andersen-the-man-with-the-golden-badge/id1551340734?i=1000522164032	WP:PRIMARYSOURCE; see WP:INTERVIEW			✘ No
https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1148143078	WP:PRIMARYSOURCE Q&A WP:INTERVIEW		WP:TRIVIALMENTION of Andersen; discussion is of his company and Brexit	✘ No
https://kingsawards.blog.gov.uk/2018/08/07/my-nametags-from-business-in-a-spare-room-to-queens-awards-winner/		~ UK Government blog post	WP:TRIVIALMENTION of him in context of his company	✘ No
https://world-traders.org/lars-andersen/	Official bio; WP:PRIMARYSOURCE			✘ No
Passing mention on websites affiliated with Andersen: https://www.guild-freemen-london.co.uk/home/the-court, https://andrewmarsden.london/looking-forward-to-the-next-chapter			WP:TRIVIALMENTION	✘ No
https://data.eidsvollsmenn.no/getperson.php?personID=I46853&tree=Eidsvollsmenn		WP:USERGENERATED genealogy site	No in-depth discussion	✘ No
Andersen, Jenifer. Domine Dirige Nos An Introduction to the City of London	Book authored by his wife			✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• Delete per the source analysis. Mekomo (talk) 16:16, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. My very best wishes (talk) 23:05, 23 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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