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The result was redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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My BEFORE search identified some passing mentions in books, but not enough sources to support a stand-alone article. I think a merge with, or redirect, to List of Battlestar Galactica characters might be appropriate. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:52, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:32, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• This is a 3rd nomination? Where are the first two? Jclemens (talk) 20:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Part of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hera Agathon and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Battlestar Galactica characters - sorry, Jclemens, but I don't know how to get these to display in the side box. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Me either, but linking them here in the comments works fine too, thanks! Jclemens (talk) 22:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep (for the 3rd time, apparently). There's lots of coverage of this character such as [1] for one example, as well as plenty of Mark Sheppard was also... bits about Supernatural and Leverage. Lampkin is covered in multiple academic papers and dissertations looking at the series as a whole, including [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]; and in books, including [7], [8]. No one's writing dissertations on Lampkin, but they're discussing him in significant ways in the context of sci-fi depictions of law. Note that the series has been off the air for more than a decade, and yet these still show continuing coverage of the character. Jclemens (talk) 23:04, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• I've started a source assessment table but am somewhat hampered by lack of access. Work in progress for now. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:18, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Screenrant			Passing mention: "Also, let’s not forget Romo Lampkin as a breakout character having his shining moment here."	✘ No
Battlestar Galactica: A Closed-System Fictional World (Favard)				? Unknown
Yost PhD Thesis			"Lee is reassigned as security for Gaius Baltar’s new lawyer, Romo Lampkin, in preparation for Baltar’s trial for crimes against humanity" / "Lee solidifies his role as ethical conscience when Romo Lampkin places him on the witness stand during Baltar’s trial." /" Romo Lampkin, the final President of the Colonies, expresses surprise at the voluntary diaspora ..." / "Lampkin, Romo Lawyer who defends Baltar; last President of the Twelve Colonies" - I don't think there's enough depth to argue for significant coverage	✘ No
“What a Glorious Moment in Jurisprudence”: Rhetoric, Law, and Battlestar Galactica (Kapica)				? Unknown
Interrogating absence: the lawyer in science fiction (Travis & Tranter)			About half a page of coverage.	✔ Yes
Tranter PhD Thesis			9 mentions, includes analysis. Tranter is co-author of the journal article above.	✔ Yes
Battlestar Galactica: Investigating Flesh, Spirit and Steel			What I can see in preview is passing mentions, I might be persuaded otherwise with more detail.	✘ No
Battlestar Galactica and Philosophy: Knowledge Here Begins Out There			What I can see in preview is passing mentions, I might be persuaded otherwise with more detail.	✘ No ...
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• I tried looking at the academic sources which User:BennyOnTheLoose couldn't access.
  • Battlestar Galactica: A Closed-System Fictional World can be accessed here: [9] But the coverage is plot summary only, and short at that, nothing to help with estabilishing notability of this character.
  • “What a Glorious Moment in Jurisprudence”: Rhetoric, Law, and Battlestar Galactica: I could access it from GScholar ([10]), but it may be b/c sometimes my university connection comes through. If you can't, check LibGen, it's on it. Anyway, it contains a significant plot summary of Lampkin's behavior during whichever episode features the trial discussed (end of S3 I think, The Son Also Rises (Battlestar Galactica) and Crossroads (Battlestar Galactica)?). It's in depth, but the focus is less on the character and more on the trial. Some quotes: "Much has been made in fan commentary about Romo Lampkin and his approach to Baltar’s defense. Key pieces to his strategy are opportunism and affectation: In addition to his dramatic vocal performances... Where Lampkin is most effective is in his use of cross-examination.... Lampkin’s opening sets a kind of precedent for the trial’s deviations from an American trial structure... By invalidating Tigh’s credibility, Lampkin invalidates the narrative constructed by the prosecution... Lampkin’s defense tactics bolster the ethos of the prosecution’s case. Later, during a recess between the testimony of Roslin and Lieutenant Gaeta, Lampkin addresses this: Responding to Baltar’s hope that he is winning, Lampkin tells him, “Our tactical victories are pissing them off.”". While this character name is mentioned almost 50 times, I don't believe the source is in-depth about the character - it is however very much in-depth about the trial. Overall, I think this article estabilishes the notability of the episodes discussed, but not of the character. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters. Not seeing enough in the sources found and analyzed below to meet GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of Battlestar Galactica characters per Piotrus, sources identified are merely passing mentions amid plot summaries, and do not contribute to WP:GNG. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:28, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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