The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, per consensus, and speedy delete g7 per author's comment below. NawlinWiki (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject is only notable for being joint secretary of Unite Against Fascism. There are already BLP issues with one editor trying to insert that the UAF is left-wing. TFD (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• TFD, please see previous discussion with ADMIN here, this article has been cleaned up and accepted and is not in line for deletion - User talk:NawlinWiki#Sabby Dhalu WP page deletion (admin discussion page) Johnsy88 (talk) 13:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article was previously proposed for deletion under WP:BLPPROD and was never listed here. The article fails to meet WP:BIO. The only mention of this person in media is quoting her comments as a spokesperson for UAF. Other than mentioning her office of joint secretary of the UAF, there is no biographical information available, e.g., nationality, education, work experience, publications, political affiliations. TFD (talk) 14:08, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Agreed, not individually notable outside of work on UAF, and no need to break out a separate article. (ESkog)^(Talk) 14:27, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sabby Dhalu is notable and the sources provided in the article prove this. the notability has been established and article has been cleared. will consult original admin to provide input Johnsy88 (talk) 14:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the previous discussion on issue when original deletion issue arose just in case you haven't looked yet.

""Sabby Dhalu WP page deletion

Hi, could you tell me the reason for the proposed deletion of the WP i have created Sabby Dhalu. I was under the understanding only pages of relevance were acceptable on WP and i would consider Sabby Dhalu to be relevant enough to feature on WP due to her involvement in certain anti fascist pressure groups that feature in British news at the moment and anti racism work and also because she writes for the guardian news paper. If you disagree could you please specify why. Thanks very much Johnsy88 (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to me that she has any particular notability other than being secretary of this group. Is there any news coverage of her other than the one BBC profile? NawlinWiki (talk) 14:39, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

From what i can see i found this alternative news article on Sabby Dhalu,

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/23/bnp-sabby-dhalu-uaf-fascism Johnsy88 (talk) 14:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC) That's actually a commentary *by* Ms. Dhalu. Any other third-party coverage? NawlinWiki (talk) 14:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

also found these news storys which i will flesh out the article with which cover a number of issues she has covered, commented on and been involved in

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article789228.ece http://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/critics-line-up-to-attack-oxford-union-over-free-speech-debate-760476.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7632624/BBC-faces-protests-over-BNP-election-broadcast.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1400573.stm

Johnsy88 (talk) 15:05, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

+ Thanks for adding those sources to the article. Looks better now. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:54, 12 December 2010 (UTC) No problem, thanks for your help and input Johnsy88 (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC) ""

ESkog - if you think she is not individually notable obviously you are not taking into account the above sources. i would advise you to read the sources and then tell me exactly why she is not notable individually. I also have reason to believe that the article is now being turned into the new "battle ground" now that the lock has been applied to the UAF website and if this is the case it is unacceptable Johnsy88 (talk) 14:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

None of these articles are about her, but quote her as a spokesperson for UAF or its predecessor organization. TFD (talk) 14:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

the first article is written by Sabby? how much more could it be about her and her own opinion? her notability is established by her long term consultation with the media in which she give "her" opinion. If you have an issue with the article i would speak to NawlinWiki and convince him why it is not a suitable article Johnsy88 (talk) 14:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No one needs to be consulted with in regards to the deletion of an article. Once the deletion process has started then...barring clear evidence of mischief such as a nomination by a banned editor, a nomination that is clearly disruptive or pointy.... it must be allowed to run its course which is usually a period of 7 days. Tarc (talk) 15:35, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - The organization itself may be notable, but a person who is simply quoted by the press in various stories in a "Sabby Dhalu, secretary of Unite Against Fascism, said" is not. There are no reliable sources about the person herself, and if we're goibg to hang on the guardian opinion piece she penned almost 2 years ago, that falls well short of WP:CREATIVE. Tarc (talk) 15:41, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Tarc. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 15:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Tarc, et al - but I'm happy to keep if we find sources about Sabby Dhalu herself. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 15:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no significant coverage in secondary sources to establish this person as notable under our guidelines. Being head of a notable organisation is not relevant because notability is not inherited. I have friends who appear to have been quoted in the news more than this person --Errant ^(chat!) 15:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Ultraexactzz. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete After reading the above evidence and facts provided,i will fully accept Deletion of the article. I now fully understand the requirement for such an article to exist and the article clearly does not reach the requirements needed which on my part was a mistake of misunderstanding in the creation of the article. If more information/sources detailing sabby dhalu exist in the future i will look to restart the article but will fully accept deletion on the above evidence Johnsy88 (talk) 15:55, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.