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Nominating page for deletion through AfD after a contested PROD. This page fails WP:NSONG as it is not the "subject of multiple, non-trivial published works" — the editor who objected to the PROD has suggested the article should be kept because it "was a hit for at least 2 artists" and it "charted in at least 2 countries", but neither of those are qualifications for keeping an article.

Before the PROD was contested, this article merely contained chart information and song credits, neither of which being considered coverage of the song. Of the four sources added after the contestation:

• Schmusa seems to be an obituary of Farian which only mentions the song
• Schlagerprofis seems to be a self-published source, as their "About us" page only lists Stephan Imming as their "team", and most articles on the site (including this one) are written by him
• Bravo is an interview with Schnier, which is obviously not independent
• Die Chronik der Zdf-Hitparade is the best bet of this song being notable, but even then it's only one source and the song gets just one paragraph in a much larger piece

I have also conducted a check myself per WP:BEFORE to no avail. Thus, unless another source with sufficient, independent coverage of the song is found and added, this article should be deleted. Leafy46 (talk) 04:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Leafy46 (talk) 04:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. A quick Google News search for both versions provides basically nothing. UnregisteredBiohazard (what i do • what did i do now?) 21:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

    It might be a bit hard in Google News. The song is about 47 years old. Karl Twist (talk) 07:27, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• KEEP, the song was a hit for two Deutsch recording acts. It was a hit twice in Germany plus a hit in Sweden. I just discovered that it was also a hit in the Netherlands!
  You should know that with German hits, there's not much of the paperwork that we can access from Western countries. But believe me, just because you can't find it via Google in a short or slightly longer period, doesn't mean it's not notable. That being the case, much of the German and other European countries stuff on Wikipedia would have to be taken down.

Regards Karl Twist (talk) 05:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Karl Twist: I do appreciate you taking the time to put together a table regarding this song's history. However, you have also just exemplified my point in this AfD discussion: saying that there is a lack of accessible, published information on a song goes directly against both WP:NSONG and the general notability guidelines, and strongly suggests that this song is not notable enough for a page. Saying that the song deserves an article because "it was a hit", at least in the way that it is framed here, is original research as you are trying to assert a position to which no reliable sources exist. Similarly, suggesting that "much of the German and other European countries stuff on Wikipedia would have to be taken down" is an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument which is tangential to this discussion.

I understand that you are trying to argue that there *is* a wealth of information regarding this song in the real world and that it simply is not reflected in this article's sourcing, but the sources which you added after objecting to a PROD (assuming that it was a best effort to prove this song's notability) do not support that assertion. Please take comfort in knowing that most songs do not end up with individual Wikipedia pages; they tend to end up on artist or discography pages, where chart information like the ones you found can still be reflected. And I certainly agree that there are plenty of song articles with tenuous-at-best sourcing. However, I hope you understand why I've decided to nominate this article for deletion, and why simply saying that "it was a hit in multiple countries" doesn't cut it for me. Leafy46 (talk) 16:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply to Leafy46, please don't try to twist around my words and using the term exemplified to say that I have supported your case by what I said. It appears to mislead. FYI, I only quickly put together the article. I forgot all about it until you swooped in on it. I haven't done that much research on it. And two of the refs that I put in after the PROD was so that it didn't look that bare. I wasn't using the one-liner to prove notability. Admittedly the other two I put in were to go to improve it to support. I think from memory they were these two,
  * schlagerprofis.de, 24/01/2024 - FRANK FARIAN: Duett-Kumpel aus Anfangszeit mit „LES COPAINS“ ebenfalls verstorben - by Stephan Imming
  and
  * Die Chronik der Zdf-Hitparade, By Andreas Tichler · 2020 - - ISBN:9783967991611, 396799161X - AUSGABE vom 06.03.1978

  .. .. .. Anyway, The song has been performed nationally three times at least,
  * Musikladen / disco / HITPARADE / Beat-Club - HITPARADE Nr. 102, 06.03.1978, Benny Schnier - Skateboard (Cover, Skateboard (Uh-ah-ah) - Copains (Frank Farian))
  * Musikladen / disco / HITPARADE / Beat-Club - HITPARADE Nr. 104, 01.05.1978, Benny Schnier - Skateboard (Cover, Skateboard (Uh-ah-ah) - Copains (Frank Farian))
  * HeinerJaeger channel, Jan 10, 2013 -Benny (Schnier) - Skateboard (ZDF-Hitparade vom 06.03.1978) (video)

  Due to my having things on away from here, that need my attention as well as finishing off and editing some stuff here on Wikipedia, I'm not going to spend a great amount of time researching and my German is not good. As most of us would think, Germans like music, things like magazines and stuff we here in the Western countries do. If a song that charted four times in three different countries with three different entries didn't have paperwork, it would be an exception to the rule!
  Karl Twist (talk) 08:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• A note to closing admin. May I please ask that if this discussion leans towards a delete, rather than deleting it, could we please look at redirecting the page to Benny Schnier? That way we can preserve the page history as well.
  Thanks. Regards Karl Twist (talk) 07:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]