The following is an archived discussion of a featured article review. Please do not modify it. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was removed 08:48, 11 August 2007.

Messages left at WP Musical Instruments and Flamurai.

One of the few Featured articles left that has no inline citations, prose is rather weak as well. I left a comment on Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments as the main editor of the article haven't edited since March Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 03:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I leave messages even if editors aren't active; they may still be checking their talk page, or other editors interested in the topic may be watching the page. (250 = few ??) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose FA status: as mentioned, needs inline citations. This is a crucial part of an FA, therefore in my view this article is a GA at best. Other points include

1. Too much bold in lead in my view. Perhaps a section detailing the different names used could be separated off - although is it necessary to list what the French and German's call it?
   • This seems to have been dealt with. I think the French and German names should be included, because they often appear in scores. There should be redirects from them and anyone who stumbled on it may wonder why it redirected there if it isn't mentioned. Rigadoun (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
2. Lead should summarise the article, not just introduce the topic - it is too short really. It looks substantial, but most of it is the nomenclature and audio examples, which should probably be elsewhere in the text.
3. The basic timpano - "(By one system of classification, it is thus considered a membranophone.)" - which system?
   • I added the mysteriously missing Sachs-Hornbostel. Rigadoun (talk) 15:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
4. A 33-inch drum can produce the C below the bass clef, and speciality piccolo timpani can play up into the treble clef. In Darius Milhaud's 1923 ballet score La création du monde, the timpanist must play the F sharp at the bottom of the treble clef. - suggest use Helmholtz system or other to accurately describe the pitches.
5. It doesn't actually say that each timpano can be individually tuned - not obviously anyway.
6. Timpani heads are sized based on the size of the head, not the size of the timpani bowl. - what? Isn't that obvious? I know what you mean but doesn't come across that well.
7. These are used as a special effect and in authentic performances of Baroque music. - link to Historically informed performance.
8. Perhaps less inline repertoire and effects mentioned, but a new section for repertoire including notable solo/concerto type pieces, or orchestral pieces with certain timp focus.

Hope this helps, –MDCollins (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that FA status needs to be removed. Article needs some serious work. --Fang Aili ^talk 15:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Remove - The article has no in-line citations (this being the main reason) and also has various grammar issues. NSR77 ^T_C 18:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(Wow, that's some sig line :-) See the instructions at the top of the WP:FAR page; Keep or Remove are not declared while the article is under review. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:43, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't know how this got to be an FA; I certainly opposed on the basis of 1a. Tony 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested FA criteria concerns are citations (1c) and prose (1a). Marskell 08:48, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove per 1c. LuciferMorgan 14:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove, no improvement in deficiencies cited above. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:19, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review. No further edits should be made to this page.